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March 26, 2006

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I don't think that God punishes us for our sins, nor do I think that God disciplines us, at least not in the typical way we think. The way that we experience punishment and discipline is by living with the consequences of our choices and actions.

Chris,

I believe we 'reap what we sow' when we try to 'keep the law' or pull ourselves up by our own boot straps.

Jesus told the pharasees that their problem was because they said "We have no sin" there sin remained.

I think that we 'reap what we sow' when we don't stay in a state of constant contact with the Father, hourly, at bare minimum daily giving him our sins.

I Cor 3 does seem to indicate a system of rewards or non-rewards... so there is something to loose in not striving to live progressively what we are positionally.

But the only thing to loose is the gifts that we would lay at Jesus feet..

I'll close with a favorite quote:

"However much we hate the law, we are more afraid of grace" -- Fr. Robert Capon

The way that we experience punishment and discipline is by living with the consequences of our choices and actions.

I agree Benjy, although I think I would state it closer to the way Chris expressed it in his post. There is a personal element to God's discipline, but that is a loving thing, preventing the greater consequences of our sin. If we are seeking God as Seraphim says, the lightest touch of the Spirit should guide us- otherwise, the voice is definitely more stern! Or at least that's been my experience, and I think we see this biblically too. Most sobering of all is the thought that we can quench the voice completely.

How have others experienced God's discipline?

"The way that we experience punishment and discipline is by living with the consequences of our choices and actions."

Benjy, I see this as a partial understanding of discipline. If it stops here, with what you have articulated, then why do we even need God? Gina has raised a good point (above)in drawing attention to the "voice" of God and how it is related to our being disciplined.

Sidepoint: do we really want a sugar-daddy God -- a God who always dotes over us, spoils us, and only has words of affirmation? Do we really?

Sidepoint: do we really want a sugar-daddy God -- a God who always dotes over us, spoils us, and only has words of affirmation? Do we really?

well, we probably do, but shouldn't. I read somewhere that those God love's he chastens. And with what has gone on in my life, just the past few months, He Loved me ALOT!

LYB

Seraphim

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