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January 09, 2008

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I just got into my office after spending an intimate time with the Lord over my lunch hour and saw this blog. Talking about one extreme to another for a lot of folks. There never is much balance in their lives. This is what the Lord said to me, "Their hearts are closed off to me. I want to come in, but they are not willing. I want to begin to heal them and restore them, but their hearts are all closed up. They come to Sunday Service and I knock and knock on their hearts, but they won't let me in. I just want them to COME! I want to Love them! Please let them know."

Wow, Michelle.

You've got me thinking...
We've always known that Rev. 3:20 was addressed to "believers." Being that's the case, WHY did modern evangelicals apply it almost exclusively to the "not-yet-believing"?

Maybe, just maybe, some of it had to do with exactly the sentiments and attitudes you just shared.

What should our response be? I don't conclusively know. But I pray the Lord will give me a love for people that's even HALF as patient as His is.

Thanks for sharing.
Blessings,

Chris

Chris,

I am not sure of what our response should be either, but to keep them in prayer. I am still trying to grasp all that He told me during my lunch time and asking myself as well, "What should I do?". I just know that He does not want anyone to perish and that is why He is so patient with us and I agree with you, Lord, give me at least HALF the patients you have. AMEN!

Chris,
Well said. I found it interesting that you mentioned metaphoric anchors at the beginning, but don't revisit them later in your post. See how this hits you:

Anchors and Pendulums can interact in a couple ways. If the Anchor isn't actually rooted to anything, it serves as additional weight at the end of the Pendulum, increasing the Pendulum's speed of travel. Do we have any unrooted Anchors serving only to hasten our journey from one extreme to the other without actually bringing us back to what Aristotle would call the Virtuous Mean?

Alternatively, if the Anchor is rooted, it will help slow the movement of the Pendulum, bring it to rest along the point of least stress. Think of a guitar string, that when plucked eventually stops vibrating. Do we have any Anchors functioning in this way? If not, what could we "throw overboard" to become such an Anchor?

ya'at'eeh Chris the responce to this has become a post if you are intrested come by to read. thanks for the mental stimulus.
the basic idea is we must come to "rest" at the bottem of the swing and mature into Yahweh's plumb line.
Pastor Art

Hey Chris.

I don't like pendulums or anchors. I like the imagery of borders and fences. Maybe even a road with guard rails, and signs (but not in a 'here's your sign' kinda way.

I think praying for people is good. But if that is all we do, it's well, worthless. Our prayers need feet.

It's like the song.. "I pretend not to see him for the 21st time.."

I'm really trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do with scripture like Titus 1:16. I know we are supposed to love God with all our mind, soul and strength..

we've got the mind piece down. I think the soul and strength piece is easy to say and hard to do.

We cannot do the will of God unless we are doing the work of God. All of us are to be Disciples, looking after and taking care of the forgotten, the broken and mistreated and misunderstood...

not an easy thing.

LYB

Seraphim

Seraphim,

Thank you for the thoughts you've shared. I too am not interested in mere rhetoric, but desire to see us live-out what we believe.

Pendulums and anchors may indeed not be your favorite metaphors, but wouldn't you agree...
they point to an interesting paradox?

hmm paradox huh? I don't see it.

Pendulums swing, but anchors don't always hold.. (said the Navy veteran..)

lol.

LYB

Seraphim

P.S. I think all those extremes you mention occur when we live Christianity (not an accusation) in our heads, and also when its a part of our life and not Our Life.

Seraphim,
I believe you're absolutely right about the "Our Life" aspect of living out our faith.
This is why the liturgy continues to draw me in, inviting me to participate in "Our" worship -- worshiping with saints not only in various locals but through time.

p.s. are there really ANY epistemologies that endure, flawless? From our human perspective, that is?

I'm not sure. I've been thinking alot about how the ancient rabbi's viewed scripture. You'd have great respect for the text, but many different interpretations of it.

One Rabbi would say this about a verse of torah, another would say that. And the students would have to learn the scripture, and the matching commentaries..from the different schools of rabbinical thought.

They were not as 'rigid' in their interpretations (seemly) as we are...

Now, if we disagree on an interpretation, we form a new denomination and spend more time vilifying one another than building one another up.

I'm really trying to move past

The baptists are right
no the methodists
no way the catholics,
nope it's the Orthodox, the reformed the neo reformed
the IC the Unchurched. etc.

I think all that remains is Jesus. The Trinity. Loving God and One another.

But more and more I'm wanting Sacraments & Proclamation of the Gospel -- rather than preaching and teaching.

LYB

Seraphim

Seraphim said
"I'm really trying to move past

The baptists are right
no the methodists
no way the catholics,
nope it's the Orthodox, the reformed the neo reformed
the IC the Unchurched. etc.

I think all that remains is Jesus. The Trinity. Loving God and One another."

Amen to that!I couldn't agree with you more!

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